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Tuesday, January 13th 2009, 7:45pm

Question regarding the maps

Is it allowed to camp behind the building on the map of Pavia or is that illegal?

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Tuesday, January 13th 2009, 7:53pm

The building is fine mate, only redline and corner camping is banned.

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Wednesday, February 4th 2009, 8:48pm

One questiion to naiver - Township = Pod Miastem...? ;)

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Wednesday, February 4th 2009, 9:50pm

Honestly speaking, Romanos, I have no idea.. Maybe let's ask someone with English version what maps are right below and right above Township, so we will know? :leatherface:
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Wednesday, February 4th 2009, 10:27pm

This map here mate


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Wednesday, February 4th 2009, 10:33pm

Yes it is "Pod Miastem" :yes:

thanks Lanc mate :gj:

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Thursday, February 5th 2009, 10:58pm

To all admins of the tourney about the 2nd round and Deathtrack map...
There is a hill on the right side of the defender, that makes it almost impossible to attack. In the rule explanation standed that you not suggest defending on that hill and the map has plenty of other options that can be used. That is ridiculous that you wrote me that you only "suggested" not "forbid" camping on that hill. It is a clear camp not because the red line and the distance of foot archers - if you use ha, this distance doesn't matter as long as you want to shoot at he enemy - but because there is no possibility to run behind. The path around is blocked, and if you send your ha behind the opponent he needs only 1-2 light cav to set a trap. The explanation "many people has already done it" is just unacceptable. Either you want people to follow the rules strictly - in that case this behaviour should be severely punished - or you write nothing and let the gamers do their job on the battlefield.
Do you think Naiver that I wouldn't camp on that hill as my opponent did in the first if I wasn't aware of your warning? Or did you give green light for all such tries to fool the opponent if he's not aware of the rules?
Next time I just suggest to better watch the map or leave tricks with changing places for attacker and defender - the authors obviously did it better for balance.
I'm very disappointed with organisation and judging in this tourney - there were already stranger decisions made that this one.
I don't want a replay, IPL is a honourable clan, so it is EOT for me.



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Thursday, February 5th 2009, 11:35pm

Marcumar, there has been a serious confusion. What I wrote you in private was my personal opinion, which I underlined many times in our PMs. As I told you, if you want to make a formal complaint, then doing it in public is the best way, so it's beyond me how could you take my personal opinion expressed in PM as a formal decision. I'm no fan of resolving controversial situations with one player only via PM, which I also told you. I'm not the only admin of this tournament, which you must have forgotten as well. That's why I suggested you to make your complaint public.

I'm glad that you finally decided to do that, but I thought that what was said in private remains in private, Marcumar. Shame to see that you have completely different opinion regarding that matter. I'll just suggest that next time, before you decide to use private stuff as any kind of argument in debates or controversial situations, be sure to present the same opinion as you presented in PMs, because in this concrete matter, you certainly did not.

Therefore, please, make up your mind and decide whether you're going to respect any decision, as you stated at first, or do you want to replay second battle only, as you wanted later, or does your honour not allow you to ask for a replay as you write now? Without knowing this for sure, we can not answer your objections properly and analyze this controversial battle. If you wrote the above only in order to show how bad admins and the tournament are and you're not willing to make any complaint, then, please, write that as well, so we will know your reasons better.
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Friday, February 6th 2009, 8:42am

I undestand what Marcumar says,as the rules in round 2 contains this comment:

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We remind all players about red line/corner camping because Player 1 has a big hill on his very right side. We do not suggest defending on it as it's dangerously close to red line. Death Track gives other nice options, so feel invited to use them."

It is not clear enough and does not forbide at all, but I of course with that I decided not to use that area, even though that I dont consider it as red line. In my game with Vlad we talked before and agreed not to use it to prevent this kind of problems, but is something that should have been more explicit in the rules. It just leaves to the more or less honourable behavior of the players the decision of whether use or not that area.

Anyway, I dont want to criticize the organization, just to address something that may be improved, and to give a back to Marcumar. If I was in his situation I would be angry and frustrated aswell.

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Saturday, February 7th 2009, 8:09pm

Naiver, it isn't only about my battle, it is general not only to you, but to all admins - please watch the maps carefully. If you didn't make tricks with changing attacker and defender places, all would peacefully camp at the hill with the tower and after 1:1 decide the matter on the grassy flatland - fair enough. The hill that you "suggested" only not to use, had indeed to be forbidden, but for different reasons, I wrote it before. It should be revealed as clear camping, which you did not. I wonder if you (this is to all admins) ever tried to play on this map.
The second matter - as an admin of the tourney however, you should restrain your suggestions to a resonable minimum. There is a very thin line between "not suggest" and "forbid" if you are a person in charge.
Naiver, I voted for you as a best organiser 2008 - you have to do a lot better then that, if you want to claim my vote for this year :lash:



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Saturday, February 7th 2009, 10:06pm

Jednym słowem śmiech na sali.

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Saturday, February 7th 2009, 10:29pm

Marcumar, had you made a formal complaint, as I was suggesting you in PMs, we would have reviewed your battle. You decided to pick the other way and in my opinion it was not the best choice at all. Your complaint about this hill and map is pointless in the light of lack of our decision regarding your controversial battle. You simply can not complain at considering your situation as camping or not camping by admins, because no decision was made, since no complaint came. It's simple. What you criticized were my PMs, which, as I was underlining many times, were not official nor decisive in any way. Meanwhile, you managed to deny your own words from those PMs in your posts here.

Yes, suggesting anything in tournaments should not take place when it comes to maps and other stuff, but sometimes you have to make a choice between switching map in the middle of the tournament (bad option), accepting it but strictly forbidding some areas on it (kind of weird, because either you can use all map or that map is inapropriate) or accepting it and asking, just asking players to be very careful when deciding to use some of its parts (in case of controversy, admins make decison taking into consideration all the circumstances). Believe me, I was not happy as well about adding those 'suggestions', but that was the least of three evils.

Tur, if you don't have anything constructive to say in English, please, don't post here. I expect something better from a clan Emissary.
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